September 7, 2009
Closely Watched Buffett Recalculating His Bets
For the moment, however, Mr. Buffett seems to be retrenching a bit. Like so many people, he was blindsided by the blowup in the housing market and the recession that followed, which hammered his holdings of financial and consumer-related companies. He readily concedes he made his share of mistakes. Among his blunders: investing in an energy company around the time oil prices peaked, and in two Irish banks even as that country’s financial system trembled.
He should not have been blindsided since he was actually warning us of the bubbles (see below).
Mr. Buffett declined to predict the short-run course of the stock market. But corporate data from Berkshire shows his company was selling more stocks than it was buying by the end of the second quarter, according to Bloomberg News. Its spending on stocks fell to the lowest level in more than five years, although the company is still deftly picking up shares in some companies and buying corporate and government debt.
Nearly my entire nest egg is in inflation protected government debt (TIPS and I-Bonds). His advice in 2004 has served me well and continues to serve me well.
May 3, 2004
Inflation Heating Up, Says Buffett
He suggested one way to protect oneself against inflation was investing in Treasury inflation protected securities.
Inflation did heat up. It then crashed. Since investors are once again enamored with commodities, we're going to give it one more chance I guess.
And now, back to the "blindsided" comment from above.
On May 1, 2005 Warren Buffett and Charles Munger warned of the real estate bubble.
On May 8, 2006 they both warned of the housing bubble again and also warned of the commodity bubble (oil in particular). Buffett said...
"I don't think there's a bubble in agricultural commodities like wheat, corn and soybeans. But in metals and oil there's been a terrific [price] move. It's like most trends: At the beginning, it's driven by fundamentals, then speculation takes over. As the old saying goes, what the wise man does in the beginning, fools do in the end. With any asset class that has a big move, first the fundamentals attract speculation, then the speculation becomes dominant.
Once a price history develops, and people hear that their neighbor made a lot of money on something, that impulse takes over, and we're seeing that in commodities and housing...Orgies tend to be wildest toward the end. It's like being Cinderella at the ball. You know that at midnight everything's going to turn back to pumpkins & mice. But you look around and say, 'one more dance,' and so does everyone else. The party does get to be more fun -- and besides, there are no clocks on the wall. And then suddenly the clock strikes 12, and everything turns back to pumpkins and mice."
So how on earth did he get blindsided? Perhaps it was temporary insanity. The clock really did strike 12, and everything really did turn back to pumpkins and mice just as he predicted.
I think Buffett and Munger took the same view as Greenspan and Bernanke - CONtained.
ReplyDeleteThey all seemed to view the bubbles as pockets of localized froth that could be routinely mopped up post bust if necessary. For some reason, they couldn't see it for what it was - a massive, widespread and globally reaching credit bubble.
I forgetut it where I heard the following quote, but it seems fitting now more than ever:
There are no bad bonds, only bad bond prices.
Mark,
ReplyDeletefrom the last thread:
"Field of Ponzi Dreams!"
You may want to copyright that one, I sense a hit film!
Closing scene when the poor retail trader sees his long since debt imploded dad as a younger entry in the ponzi scheme:
"I had not seen him until later in the pyramid, worn down by redemptions!"
mab,
ReplyDelete"They all seemed to view the bubbles as pockets of localized froth that could be routinely mopped up post bust if necessary. For some reason, they couldn't see it for what it was - a massive, widespread and globally reaching credit bubble."
Your theory makes a lot of sense.
I fear what happens when we extrapolate your theory going forward. We are clearly attempting to use ever increasing debts to "solve" a debt crisis.
GYSC,
ReplyDelete"I had not seen him until later in the pyramid, worn down by redemptions!"
Good one! I'm already working on the sequel. I'm drawing inspiration from Lovecraft.
"Only the silent, sleepy, staring houses in the backwoods can tell all that has lain hidden since the early days; and they are not communicative, being loath to shake off the drowsiness which helps them forget. Sometimes one feels that it would be merciful to tear down these houses, for they must often dream." - H.P. Lovecraft, The Picture in the House
GYSC said:
ReplyDelete"I had not seen him until later in the pyramid, worn down by redemptions!"
ROFLMAO!
Mark and Watchtower,
ReplyDeletemaybe we should try to come up with around 10 lines from that theme for friday night entertainment?
GYSC,
ReplyDeleteThere once was a man with redemptions
Was it a pyramid scheme? You betcha!
He needed the cash
He needed it fast
But someone "Madoff" with the assets!
You guys are definitely on a roll! :) Buffett lost his mind a few years ago, poor guy.
ReplyDeleteLisa,
ReplyDeleteWe all can become temporarily insane. How else could I explain my hoarding nearly a thousand rolls of toilet paper? I sincerely hope I'm temporarily insane anyway. If I'm 100% rational then our country must be in SERIOUS financial trouble. ;)
As for Buffett's temporary insanity, he's been there, done that (see below). Nobody is perfect. At least he did see the bubbles, which was better than most.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/05/business/a-pension-fund-chief-bets-on-us-airways.html
In 1989, Mr. Buffett made his own disastrous investment in US Airways, an action he later termed ''temporary insanity.''
Stag,
ReplyDeleteYesterday, I heard that the FDIC was CONsidering extending its Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program. In case you don't remember, the TLGP is the program whereby the FDIC guarantees newly issued bank debt.
http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/resources/TLGP/index.html
Maybe it's just me, but I'm a bit uneasy about having an insolvent FDIC guarantee the new debt of insolvent banks. I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about that arrangement seems amiss.
Sadly, I think the insanity of our financial regulators is permanent.
mab,
ReplyDeleteHow a Loophole Benefits General Electric in Bank Rescue
http://www.propublica.org/article/how-a-loophole-benefits-general-electric-628
Enjoy! Sigh.
Stag,
ReplyDeleteHow different would opinions be if we called "credit" by its former name - DEBT! Credit has such a positive CONnotation.
Consider the following often repeated "truisms" with the word "DEBT" substituted for "credit":
- We have a DEBT crisis.
- We have to get DEBT flowing again.
- The DEBT system is clogged.
- Poor and struggling families need more access to DEBT.
- Financial innovation has led households to take on more DEBT than ever before in our history.
- Small businesses can't get as much DEBT as they previously could.
- You need a good FICO score so you can get access to more DEBT.
- Banks are lowering lines of DEBT to individuals and businesses.
- The DEBT crisis is causing unemployment and foreclosures to skyrocket.
I dare say a DEBT crisis would not be treated with more debt. I can't wait untile the word credit is a dirty word and they change it to "candy" Then we can get mountains of candy.
mab,
ReplyDelete"Poor and struggling families need more access to DEBT."
Your commentary got both a chuckle and a sigh out of me.
Yeah, that's exactly what they need. Sigh.
Let's not forget to give DEBT where DEBT is due.
Thanks central bankers!
Mab,
ReplyDeleteAwesome post.
Stag,
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget to give DEBT where DEBT is due.
Let's not forget to give DEBT where DEBT is due and can't be paid.
There, I fixed it for ya. ;) The above is the foundation of our (e)CONomy.
Btw, a certified pre-owned car is a used car.
Do you think they have soylent green on Candy Mountain?
mab,
ReplyDeleteOur work is never done.
"Let's not forget to give DEBT where DEBT is due and can't be paid."
That's a great fix but I think it can still be improved.
Let's not forget to give DEBT where DEBT is PAST due and can't be paid.
"Do you think they have soylent green on Candy Mountain?"
Let me check.
There's the 100 Grand Debt Bar.
There's Big Red Deficit Gum.
There's Candy Liptstick for Pigs.
There's Circus Peanut Wages.
There's Cracker Jack Up Booms.
There's Connect the Dots.
There's Dubble Bubble Bust Gum.
There's Fed Dum Dum Pops.
There's Rigged Newtons.
There's Clogstoppers.
There's Hot Money Tamales.
There's Jolly Realtors.
There's Life Savings Savers (sold out).
There's Now and Later Stimulants.
There's Financial Snickers.
There's Sour Patch Economies.
There's Spending Spree.
There's Already Chewed Super Bubble Gum.
There's Swindlers.
And just in...
There's "New" York Government Patties.
No mention of Soylent Green. I guess Candy Mountain isn't so much about people after all, but more about profits at any cost. Who knew!
Stag,
ReplyDeleteThat was a sweet post. Hall of fame material!
I guess Candy Mountain isn't so much about people after all, but more about profits at any cost.
Well, thanks to Candy Mountain Ben, people are making big "dough" at no cost. At least no cost to them anyway.
mab,
ReplyDeleteWith all this talk of Candy Mountain I should probably supply the link that started all these inside jokes. I think I'll supply a new post. Memory lane is always fun.