Greenspan: Don't use Fed as a 'magical piggy bank'
Greenspan, 82, who ran the Fed for 18 1/2 years and was the second-longest serving chief, says he is concerned that Capitol Hill will look to the Fed's actions "as a wondrous new font of seemingly costless federal funding -- a magical piggy bank."
The "magical piggy bank" reminds me of a little parable that Ben Bernanke offered in 2002, well before Greenspan retired.
Deflation: Making Sure "It" Doesn't Happen Here
The conclusion that deflation is always reversible under a fiat money system follows from basic economic reasoning. A little parable may prove useful: Today an ounce of gold sells for $300, more or less. Now suppose that a modern alchemist solves his subject's oldest problem by finding a way to produce unlimited amounts of new gold at essentially no cost. Moreover, his invention is widely publicized and scientifically verified, and he announces his intention to begin massive production of gold within days. What would happen to the price of gold? Presumably, the potentially unlimited supply of cheap gold would cause the market price of gold to plummet. Indeed, if the market for gold is to any degree efficient, the price of gold would collapse immediately after the announcement of the invention, before the alchemist had produced and marketed a single ounce of yellow metal.
Today an ounce of gold sells for $800, more or less. That's a 167% increase in price. I think it is safe to say that alchemists have not been able to produce unlimited amounts of gold at essentially no cost yet.
What has this got to do with monetary policy? Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation.
Meanwhile, our government's monetary alchemists do have a proven "magical" technology which allows them to produce as many U.S. dollars as they wish at essentially no cost. Unfortunately, they've been dabbling in the black arts for nearly 30 years (as seen here). I'm not sure they know how to stop. In fact, they must summon more dollars into existence just to pay the interest on the dollars they have previously summoned. Further, investors are a fickle lot. They don't just want interest. They want a real return above inflation. That requires even more summoned dollars. Without the extra reward, investors are no doubt tempted to hoard hard goods instead.
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Dude why don't you comment at calculatedrisk anymore, you need to join the conversation again
Heck Mark I wonder if that magical piggy can save the world.
If you’re are keeping score at home we had Sunday night/Monday morning “save the world” press releases in August 2007 (cut of the discount rate), December 2007 (TAF), January 2008 (ease 75 bps), March 2008 (Bear) and July 2008 (first Fannie/Freddie rescue) and now September. Anyone want to believe this is the last one (which will be the sixth in 14 months) will be the one that finally works and saves the world?
Kevin
staticfinal,
I don't like to comment without reading everyone else's comments first. Due to the site's popularity these days, reading all the comments would be nearly a full time job! I still visit the site fairly regularly though. Great information!
Kevin,
Anyone want to believe this is the last one (which will be the sixth in 14 months) will be the one that finally works and saves the world?
My money is on Whirled Peas. I think there's a decent chance they'll keep up with inflation. ;)
I think we're reaching the early stages of "save the world" fatigue.
Beware of 'hurricane fatigue,' officials warn
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5988918.html
"There are so many names coming by — it's Gustav, then Hanna, then Ike," said Andy Berma, a medical office manager who relocated to Houston from Chicago two months ago. "It's like a herd of animals coming at you. It seems like the media needs something to talk about."
I think it is time to start naming the economic storms.
UPDATE 3-Pimco: US govt must halt asset sell-off tsunami
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0430376520080904
Fannie Maelstrom
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=dictionary&q=maelstrom
a restless, disordered, or tumultuous state of affairs
Freddie Macabre
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/macabre
of or suggestive of the allegorical dance of death
A Sigh of Relief, but Hard Questions Remain
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/business/worldbusiness/09markets.html?ref=worldbusiness
Investors around the world breathed a sigh of relief on Monday after the federal government took over and backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, assuring a continued flow of credit through America’s wounded mortgage system.
Here's a hard question. WTF will happen next?
Stag,
Here's a hard question. WTF will happen next?
That is a hard question. I suspect higher national debt levels are the new norm. Fannie & Freddie have about 5.5 trillion in debt. FHLBs have about 1 trillion in debt. Add that 6.5 trillion to the U.S. federal debt of 9.5 trillion and the U.S. federal debt is now ~ 115% of GDP.
In any event, your views on making money from money still seem intact. Ever since the dot.com bust, our financial markets (and more broadly our economy) only seem to function with fed & treasury/gov't support.
I for one don't believe the government can make us wealthy. If hand-outs were the path to wealth, I think we would have all been wealthy years ago.
mi casa es su casa (from pulp fiction)
MAB,
Mi casa de caca es su casa de caca.
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/of
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/poop
For the record, none of my modest toilet paper hoard says "Fannie" on it. I know there might be some confusion now that Fannie stock is trading under a dollar.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=fnm
I know there might be some confusion now that Fannie stock is trading under a dollar.
Wow! The good news is that a reverse split would put Fannie & Feddie back on the dollar menu.
What are all these financial wizards going to do now if they can't loan money to folks that can't pay the money back?
Stag,
http://www.mises.org/story/1962
Price controls have a VERY poor long term record. But who knows, maybe the treasury's price floor on housing will be different this time.
SOOOO many want to believe.
I think we need a new clinical term for our current economic thinking. I propose: Candy Mountain Syndrome
MAB,
What are all these financial wizards going to do now if they can't loan money to folks that can't pay the money back?
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas? No, that can't be it.
Daniel F. Roberts Financial Wizard
Added July 27, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzbiq0Xpe1A
As a side note, this blog started a month later. I was clearly a bit slow out of the gates.
I think we need a new clinical term for our current economic thinking. I propose: Candy Mountain Syndrome
I love it! Unfortunately, I've got good news and bad news. First the bad news. As unbelievable as it must seem, "Big Rock Candy Mountain Syndrome" is already taken. Now the good news. You apparently came up with the perfect diagnosis. As seen below, it is "How To Keep Our Cushy Jobs By Promising You Money That Rightfully Belongs To Other People When We Both Know You Will Never Get A Dime." That most certainly looks like, as you put it, "our current economic thinking."
http://freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1062488&sid=83fcdfd06c5a68518c9cfe359f81a24b
But like Dalton McGuinty, Mr. Flaherty and Mr. Harper "NEED THAT MONEY!" What for? To buy votes, of course! Watch for more "targeted" Goodies aimed at TheFamily, TheChildren and TheMostVulnerableAmongUs (f/k/a Poor People) just about this time next month. This is Big Rock Candy Mountain Syndrome, or How To Keep Our Cushy Jobs By Promising You Money That Rightfully Belongs To Other People When We Both Know You Will Never Get A Dime..... - Kate Shaw
It is truly amazing what can be found on the "Internets."
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-internets.htm
Stag,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082083/
I saw the above movie in the theater when it first came out. A truly dreadful movie.
The tagline was Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water - you can't get to it!
The dreadfulness and tagline seem so fitting looking at our economy and investing landscape.
Another thought on price controls. The more I think about it, we've been fixing the prices of many assets for years (part of the asset inflation scheme).
Price floors create surpluses and destroy demand. An ugly combination. I think that is at the root of our problems now. Lots of supply, little demand.
MAB,
Blood Beach! I've seen it. I thought that was supposed to be a comedy. ;)
Here's another 1981 movie that for whatever reason haunts me as one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Assuming I can trust my memory after nearly three decades, it did remind me that if something lashes my ankle from underneath a car that I shouldn't immediately put my face down there to see what it was though. I can't tell you how many times that little dose of wisdom has come in handy. It also taught me that throwing beer cans at the monsters only delays the inevitable slightly (the government should think about that every time they throw free stuff at us). And lastly, it also taught me that if the dog's fur is lining the floor's broken heater vent that there really isn't much point repeatedly calling the dog's name. Fluffy's gone. Write her off. Fannie Mae investors probably should have seen the movie and now it is clearly too late.
The Boogens
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082094/
They are released from an abandoned, boarded-up silver mine...
Seen the price of silver lately? Good grief. The parabola popped yet again.
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html
The Boogens Tag Line: There Is No Escape!
No safe store of value either it seems. The powers that be are somehow keeping toilet paper from going parabolic though. I'll give them that and to be quite honest, I'm not complaining. That being said, nothing says hyperinflation insurance like a good old fashioned credit-based Great Depression. Two wrongs continue to imitate a right.
Stag,
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a1liVM3tG3aI&refer=home
This article is a boogen nightmare. I saved it so I wouldn't forget.
How can you trust financials when there are billions or trillions in off balance sheet assets? Black Enron boxes. More & more people are coming to the same conclusion.
MAB,
How can you trust financials when there are billions or trillions in off balance sheet assets? Black Enron boxes. More & more people are coming to the same conclusion.
Yeah, as I've said before...scary times for contrarians. Just because there is a fire sale on black boxes (50% to 90% off regular price), that does not necessarily mean that the black boxes are bargains.
Mark Haines on CNBC said something amusing about contrarians today. He said there's being a contrarian and then there's taking a toaster into the bathtub. That got a chuckle out of me.
Stag,
Speaking of trusting financials:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=aig
You gotta wonder about those guaranteed annuities.
MAB,
You gotta wonder about those guaranteed annuities.
From 2007...
Lifetime-guarantee annuities could end up biting insurers
http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/FREE/70226009
Financial services leaders worry that if baby boomers live longer than projected or a downturn hits the market, the financial strength of insurance companies could be threatened.
Hold on. What's that "downturn hits the market" doing there? Surely the professional risk managers planned for that possible outcome.
It is possible that as these companies carry more risk, they could fall into bankruptcy, said Meir Statman, a professor of finance at Santa Clara (Calif.) University. But he thinks that the federal government would bail out affected individuals in a worst-case scenario.
I am comforted that individual investors are too big to fail. There's nothing I like more than seeing oodles of free money generated thereby enhancing our long-term prosperity. Well, perhaps that's not quite true. I'm also extremely fond of sarcasm.
“If the average returns are less than expected, there will be a huge problem,” Mr. Worster said. “Even if it’s only a few basis points down, there will be a huge problem.”
I must be misunderstanding the entire concept of risk management. A few basis points creates a huge problem?
“We’re confident in the risk-reward profile our company has, and we’d expect others in [the] industry are doing something similar to us,” he said. “We’re professional risk managers.”
I'm not taking much comfort from that. I wonder why.
How Lehman Brothers’ Own Risk Management Strategy May Cause it to Fail
http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/09/12/lehman-brothers-holdings/
And that begs the question: Just where were all the risk-management experts who should have assessed the pitfalls these companies faced, and how could they have missed the massive risks that are now threatening to take this entire sector down?
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