Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Exponential Growth, Deficits, and the Made in China Kitchen Sink

The following link is a must see. Trust me.

Watching the Growth of Walmart Across America

That's the problem with exponential growth. It can go on for years and years without anyone really noticing or caring. In the later stages, everyone notices and cares though.

That's exactly how I see China. When we first started sending our jobs overseas it didn't seem like it was a big deal. Of course, we didn't have a massive unsustainable trade deficit back then though. We also still had plenty of jobs.


Calculated Risk: U.S. Trade Deficit Graphs

The trade deficit with China was $23 billion in November alone, and even with declining imports from China, the deficit with China will probably account for well over half of the U.S. trade deficit in January.

Welcome to my petri dish. I no longer feel immortal. We can't afford to put the disease back in the bottle and we can't afford to cure it.

Got antibiotics? You do? Are they still made in America?


Does the United States make anything anymore?

WASHINGTON — It may seem like the country that used to make everything is on the brink of making nothing.

In January, 207,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs vanished in the largest one-month drop since October 1982. Factory activity is hovering at a 28-year low. Even before the recession, plants were hemorrhaging work to foreign competitors with cheap labour. And some companies were moving production overseas.

But manufacturing in the United States isn't dead or even dying. It's moving upscale, following the biggest profits, and becoming more efficient, just like Henry Ford did when he created the assembly line to make the Model T.


The article tries to put a positive spin on it. I guess I've just been spun enough.

Judy Horkman, 47, was devastated when she was laid off after 13 years of attaching handles to saute pans on the Mirro Cookware plant assembly line. But two years ago, Horkman took a job making industrial light fixtures for office buildings and warehouses at Orion Energy Systems Inc. She makes $12.50 per hour - not quite the $13.80 she earned at Mirro, but Horkman says she is fine with that.

No good can come from middle income wages not keeping up with inflation and no good can come from an unsustainable trade deficit.

November 22, 2004

The Trade Gap: How Long Can It Go On?

Still, doesn't everyone agree that the trade deficit should shrink?

No -- some argue that U.S. deficits serve vital interests. American factory workers suffer, but consumers and the government get to spend more than they earn.


It made me want to pull my hair out. It still does. Common sense as an economic policy must have died at some point.

What's the bottom line for the deficit?

It's hard to say because this experiment has never been conducted before. What happens when the world's sole superpower becomes history's biggest debtor? No one's really sure.


The experiment isn't doing all that well lately, in case anyone didn't notice.

9 comments:

Stagflationary Mark said...

Here's a bonus quote from that last link.

What are the arguments that the U.S. can keep running big trade deficits?

One idea is that the U.S. can easily afford to keep paying for imports with American assets like stocks and bonds because U.S. wealth is growing faster than it's being sold off.


Using hindsight, that was a really stupid idea.

Anonymous said...

BTW, did you see this one? I immediately thought of you and your penchant for looking at the long-term growth rates.

http://bondtangent.blogspot.com/2009/02/geithner-take-note-just-kidding.html

Stagflationary Mark said...

AllanF,

Somebody locked in a decent rate long-term clearly. That's amazing.

On the off chance Geithner is listening, I'd be very interested in a permanent tax-free inflation-adjusted bond that paid a mere 5% interest. It's similar if one assumes that inflation will average just 2% like the Fed is trying to target.

My idea goes one step further though. Since it is a permanent bond, I wouldn't ever need to be paid back the original principal since the bond would never actually mature!

I'd be especially liking the deal once I passed the twenty year mark. I'd already have my original principal back in the form of tax-free inflation-adjusted interest.

At the forty year mark I'd be liking the deal twice as much, and at the eighty year mark, and so on, and so on.

Further, if there was any possible way that I could live forever, this deal would probably do it. I can be pretty stubborn when given a reason. I'd be VERY curious to see how my heirs would be doing in a few thousand centuries, lol.

You will note that I didn't make the interest stop at my death. The last thing I want to do is give the government a reason to send me to an early grave. They are doing a fine enough job of that as it is, lol.

Anonymous said...

Stag,

Great post - touched on many of the issues that really spook me.

The article tries to put a positive spin on it. I guess I've just been spun enough.

I've been spun enough too. I've also had enough bad eCONomics and stupidity to last ten life times.

Here's some recent spin that just slays me. I keep hearing "experts" claim that if we don't do the "right things" or if we do the "wrong things" we could really face difficult economic times ahead. What a joke.

We've promoted leveraged economic stupidity for decades. The bill for that free lunch idiocy has to now be paid. Anything we do or don't do now is at best whipped cream on horse caca.

Stagflationary Mark said...

mab,

"Expert" is just a four letter word with a 50% bonus, lol.

"Expert Opinion" is even better though.

At best we're offered obvious advice and at worst the obvious continues to implode.

The chart astrologers, um, I mean technicians, saw all of this coming of course. We can always trust the market to tell us what the market will do next.

I wish they would apply that technology to weather prediction. I think it could really spice up the news.

We need to hold the 75 degree support level today. If we don't, the temperature may retrace all the way down to 33. On the other hand, if we can hold here we could be looking at a serious temperature rally into the lower 100s.

Anonymous said...

Stag,

I think we will be seeing more of this:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/International-Business/Russia-China-sign-loan-deal-for-oil/rssarticleshow/4152474.cms

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7898809.stm

Anonymous said...

Stag,

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=FNM#chart1:symbol=fnm;range=my;compare=c;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

A picture is worth a zero dollars a share.

The foundation of our perpetual debt machine is gone.

Anonymous said...

Stag,

Another glass half full headline:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXQyhJ_n2Nqs&refer=home

Jumbo Loan Defaults Rise at Fast Pace as Rich Suffer

If it were me writing it would say:

Jumbo Loan Defaults Rise at Fast Pace as Rich Decide NOT to Suffer

Jingle mail is a powerful force. It can lift really heavy debt burdens.

I'm really am becoming an optimist!

Stagflationary Mark said...

mab,

Your three links make me think of a new credit card slogan.

What's (borrowed from China to put) in your (jumbo) wallet (that will ultimately cost you your job and your access to cheap energy)?

We are running out of places to put things
http://thefutureofstorage.com/archives/113

Oops. That's a link to data storage. I thought it was an article about how we're running out of land again.

As a side note, if we do run out of land, how could we possibly build more self-storage units using money from stimulus package #27? I'm trying to think ahead a few decades.

Data continues to grow at a frightening rate.

That's something I can believe. Frightening data continues to grow at a frightening rate.

So, this is where it gets fun. Some of the technologies that researches are currently looking into really do sound like something out of a Sci-Fi movie.

Similarly, some of the financial technologies that researchers were looking into really ended up sounding like something out of a Horror movie.

As yet another side note, why do horror movies end up having SO many sequels?

A Nightmare on Wall Street
A Nightmare on Wall Street 2: Debt's Revenge
A Nightmare on Wall Street 3: Credit Believers
A Nightmare on Wall Street 4: The Credit Master
A Nightmare on Wall Street 5: The Credit Child
Debt's Dead: The Final Nightmare
The Taxpayer's New Nightmare

Black Friday the 20th
Black Friday the 20th Part II
Black Friday the 20th Part III
Black Friday the 20th: The Final Crash
Black Friday the 20th: A New Beginning
Black Friday the 20th Part VI: Bernanke Lives
Black Friday the 20th Part VII: The New Stimulus
Black Friday the 20th Part VIII: Bernanke Forecloses Manhattan
Bernanke Goes to Hell: The Final Friday
Bernanke X

And finally...drum roll please...

Freddie Mac vs. Bernanke