Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Chinese Infrastructure ETF

China Infrastructure ETF: A Long-Term Play on Growth Story

The Emerging Global Shares China Infrastructure (NYSEArca: CHXX) began trading this morning. Richard Kang, Emerging Global Shares’ Chief Investment Officer and Director of Research, points out that demand for infrastructure is constant. “When you flush that toilet, the water has to go somewhere.”

Demand for infrastructure is constant. It's a "sure thing" investment. It's just like land. They never make any more of it.

Chanos On China

Now 30 billion square feet of office space would mean that there is a 5 foot by 5 foot office cubicle being built for every man, woman, and child in China. You can do the math. It's a frightening statistic. This is a country that is going to have as much office space as it needs for a long, long, long time once these projects get completed. And since they are huge part of the GDP driver now, what's going to happen when you get to the end of that rope? It's not going to be pretty. Now a lot of that stuff is going to get shelved...

There's nothing that can stop an up and coming superpower once the momentum has been established though. Everyone knows it.

Cities in the Great Depression

America's larger cities in the 1920s enjoyed strong growth. With the end of large-scale immigration, populations stabilized and the plentiful jobs in the cities pulled families upwards in terms of social mobility. Investment in office buildings, stores, factories, utilities, streets, and, especially, apartments and single-family homes, added substantially to the infrastructure, supported a very even better times were ahead. After 1929, the optimism ebbed away, overwhelmed by a deepening pessimism that made long-term private investment seem inadvisable.

The Depression's damage to large cities, suburbs, towns and rural areas varied according to the economic base. Most serious in larger cities was the collapse of the construction industry with new starts falling to less than 10% of the norm of the late 1920s. Although much needed work was deferred, maintenance and repair of existing structures comprised over a third of the private sector construction budget in the 1930s. Devastating was the disappearance of 2 million high paying jobs in the construction trades, plus the loss of profits and rents that humbled many thousands of landlords and real estate investors.

24 comments:

watchtower said...

"Now 30 billion square feet of office space would mean that there is a 5 foot by 5 foot office cubicle being built for every man, woman, and child in China."

That is a crap load of office space, I'll have to admit that you and Mab might be on to something.

But then again maybe the aluminum buying Chinese pig farmers can pull it out though.

Stagflationary Mark said...

watchtower,

At the risk of repeating myself as it relates to the Chanos video...

"If you watch nothing else, at least catch the part from 27:50 to 29:30."

Perhaps I should have quoted some of it earlier.

It's one minute and 40 seconds of sheer terror inside a one hour speech of edge of chair sitting, finger nail biting, nervousness!

Stagflationary Mark said...

watchtower,

I offer a continuation from the comments in the last post.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. They've gotten to Marc Faber too.

China Economy Will Slow, Hurt Commodities, Faber Says (Update1)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a.yJy6cz_.8Y

A possible crash in China’s economy will be “disastrous” for raw materials used in industrial production, Faber said.

EconomicDisconnect said...

Mark,
any ideas on Modern Monetary Theory (Bill Mitchell)? Just stumbled upon this and it is every deficit spenders dream come true. Maybe China can be on board?

Stagflationary Mark said...

GYSC,

Wasn't Bill Mitchell the Head of Design at GM as well as GM's Vice President?

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/history/mitchell.html

Or were you speaking of specifically of Professor Bill Mitchell and his thoughts on Modern Monetary Theory?

http://e1.newcastle.edu.au/coffee/

I'm just trying to sound smart. Google is a wonderful thing, lol.

It's the corvette action center vs. the centre of full employment and equity!

Can I bet on neither? ;)

EconomicDisconnect said...

LOL, I had not even thought about Bill Mitchell the corvette engineer!

No I meant the MMT guy.

watchtower said...

Sweet! We're finally talking about cars, Vettes no less.

Well, besides the cars that China will never be able to get on the road because things are not as rosy as Jim Rogers would have us to believe.

Or the cars here in America that will only be inhabited by the future 'bubble busted' homeless.

And the out of control speeding cars used to illustrate the economy's Thelma and Louise tendencies.

But hey, it's a start.

Stagflationary Mark said...

GYSC & watchtower,

The more I read the more I like Bill Mitchell!!

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?show=localnews&pnpID=469&NewsID=973440&CategoryID=7026&on=1

“We’re spending $4 million a year to fly the Governor and other top officials back and forth from Chicago to Springfield,” Mitchell said. “Instead of spending $3,000 an hour for these flights, state officials should be taking Amtrak, especially since it only costs $36 round trip.”

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/2039034,CST-NWS-ltgov10.article

"My point is Illinois can get along just fine without it. It's an office that costs $2.5 million to run. I know that's not $13 billion. But it's an office that just isn't essential," Mitchell said.

Oh wait. That's not the MMT Bill Mitchell. That's just some state representative in Illinois. Bummer.

Anonymous said...

"Now 30 billion square feet of office space would mean..."

Ahh, but is it office space?

From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_real_estate

Commercial property includes office buildings, industrial property, medical centers, hotels, malls, retail stores, shopping centers, farm land, multifamily housing buildings, warehouses, garages, and industrial properties.

- jus me

Anonymous said...

at 28:48 -
"2.6 billion square meters of non-residential real estate is under construction..."

Does anyone know what "non-residential real estate" means? Could it include dams, rail lines, power plants? Parking lots? Roads? Schools w/ soccer stadiums and fields for exercise?
Drainage ditches?

The supposition that it's all "cubicles" seems unfounded.

- jus me

Anonymous said...

"non-residential real estate" would seem to include rice paddies and corn fields........

- jus me

Stagflationary Mark said...

jus me,

Great questions and observations. I think you are right.

He kept saying "office space" specifically, but I am swayed by your comments. It does seem he is bending the statistics to suit his purposes.

It certainly does make one think.

I did manage to find 100 million square feet of actual office space that was sitting empty in Beijing a year ago.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/22/world/fg-beijing-bust22

By Rodman's calculations, 500 million square feet of commercial real estate has been developed in Beijing since 2006, more than all the office space in Manhattan. And that doesn't include huge projects developed by the government. He says 100 million square feet of office space is vacant -- a 14-year supply if it filled up at the same rate as in the best years, 2004 through '06, when about 7 million square feet a year was leased.

It seems difficult to get to 30 billion.

I just want the truth, and it is often very elusive.

http://story.chinanationalnews.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/9366300fc9319e9b/id/600833/cs/1/

Many office towers across the country are empty, and thousands of others only part-filled. Hotels have been struggling with occupancies and room rates as an ever-ending supply of new product pours into the market. New hotel openings are being heralded by the week. Shopping malls on average are carrying vacancy rates of around 40%.

Many property experts believe a crash is on the way, others simply agree a bubble is forming.

The two biggest problem-cities are China's largest, Beijing and Shanghai.

Jack Rodman a long time investor and advisor on global distressed property reckons the commercial office tower vacancy rate in Beijing is 50%. Shirley Hu of CB Richard Ellis says commercial office space will increase in Beijing by 16 million square feet this year, and in Shanghai by 20 million square feet, driving up vacancy rates to approximately 30%.


Can we trust this either? I suspect we can, but who really knows?

There's lies, damn lies, statistics, and Chinese statistics. Sigh.

watchtower said...

Or maybe 'jus me' is really Jim Rogers incognito!

: )

That was good though, I'll admit that my mind never did go any farther than just 'office space'.

Mark I know I've mentioned this before but you have some sharp people visiting here.

Stagflationary Mark said...

watchtower,

There are indeed very sharp people visiting here!

EconomicDisconnect said...

Mark,
I wanted to say thanks for the insightful comment you left on my last post.

I tend to see "risk" as related to "need". If you are pretty well off, say an inventor of Halo3 for a random example, then yes almost anything looks like a loser. While not well off I have what I need (I think, hope???) if I do not get stupid, which is easy of course.

Say you are a pension program millions in the whole (not like that happens!) then fixed instruments that are less "risk" will not meet your "need" of course. There is the great rub as it is, and there is always the bailout route for some.

You mentioned you were holding some TIPS for the 30 year duration? The only thing I am not parting with on that time frame that I own with no debate are my swords, especially the samurai's!

Anyways, thanks for the input.

watchtower said...

GYSC said:

"...then yes almost anything looks like a loser."

Except Halo 4.

EconomicDisconnect said...

Watchtower,
keep it on the DL, Down Low!!

Bold Prediction:
the Star Wars MMOP game "The Old Republic" breaks every record in existence.

Stagflationary Mark said...

GYSC,

"While not well off I have what I need (I think, hope???) if I do not get stupid, which is easy of course."

If you have what you need then you are well off. Don't let anyone tell you any different.

Here's my reasoning.

I believe the best things in life are free. If your needs are satisfied and you aren't worked to death at your job, then you are extremely well off.

If I subtract income taxes and assistance to my unemployed girlfriend from my annual expenses, then I spent a grand total of $18,746 last year. That's it. I do not live the life of the rich and fabulous.

I am not well off using the opinions of others to determine my lifestyle, regardless of what my net worth is.

I am extremely well off using my dog's opinions though. I feed her every day. We play. She probably has no idea how I do it. Food just magically appears somehow. Let's face it. I have godlike abilities to her.

Compare and contrast...

1. Think of the best time of your life.
2. Think of the best stuff of your life.

#1 is the clear winner to me. We are all equally well off once our basic needs are met. There should be an infinite number of things we can do to amuse ourselves at that point, and the vast majority of them require no money at all.

Heck, I had a great time just getting the mail today. The sun was out today and it actually struck my face. Go figure! :)

Stagflationary Mark said...

watchtower & GYSC,

"...then yes almost anything looks like a loser."

"Except Halo 4."

Consider this. Halo 3 technology was based on derivatives. If someone wins, someone else must not win, and generally in a very spectacular way.

Halo 4 may be based on government intervention. Nobody will win. Think traffic pylons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utQf4t6_o4g

HAHA PWNED AND CONED!

G.H. said...

Stag,

"1. Think of the best time of your life.
2. Think of the best stuff of your life."


1. Undoubtedly this would be when I was sweating/freezing away in a fiberglass ceiling factory and putting myself through college on the tuition reimbursement benefit offered by the company. 48 hours/wk. and 2/3 classes per semester for 5 YEARS!! Up at 5AM and not in bed 'til midnight. I had no idea at the time but indeed those were the best years/times of my life. And OH what promise those days held for a bright future.

2. Stuff, that's just it, until about 8 years ago I thought stuff was important, now I know better. It's all about family baby!! C'mon!!


Do a post about the dollar (now that Ben has opened the barn doors) so I can start my dribble about buying UUP again ;-)

Stagflationary Mark said...

G.H.,

I'm looking for a "breaking" headline but I'm just not there yet. I don't want you to walk away empty handed though.

Just keep in mind that I have no idea who this person is or why I should be quoting him.

Federal Reserve Forces Attitude Adjustment With Surprise Discount Rate Hike

http://seekingalpha.com/article/189441-federal-reserve-forces-attitude-adjustment-with-surprise-discount-rate-hike?source=yahoo

Overall, I am personally still absorbing this news, but I highly suspect my appetite for commodities will subside significantly for now. The dollar’s short-term technical strength should now get even stronger and last even longer.

One down, who knows how many to go?

watchtower said...

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utQf4t6_o4g"

Too funny!

Apparently 's*** happens' no matter what universe your in.

EconomicDisconnect said...

I declare myself an official Stagflationary Mark groupie!

Stagflationary Mark said...

GYSC,

That's fantastic!

I've heard that your site becomes a gathering place for your groupies.

We should really enjoy the group-think!

(It's an inside joke.)